The Nines Last Update

Jud Wilhite brought it and I’m out to get home and back for practice tonight! Here’s the last bit I have:

Larry Osborne/North Coast Church = Future of the church

Good stuff! Get this!

Matt/Austin Stone =

Is there something wrong or missing from the American church culture that’s keeping us from actually seeing victory over sin

Christians struggle with sin: Romans 7

James 5:16

Scott Williams/Lifechurch/Big is the new Small = Church diversity sucks but it doesn’t have to

Jim/Flat Irons Community Church =

You have to allow people to belong before they can believe

Not my job to save, fix, or change people. I’m not your Holy Spirit

Neal Cole/Organic Church =

Phil 2: Do nothing from selfish or empty conceit….

God is looking for servants who will lead. Make a name for others

Stunning story of his father-in-law

Reggie Joiner/Orange = Neamiah

Rebuilding the wall for a generation he knew would need a faith in God

1/2 way through the attack with the threat of attack he leaned into the people and reminded them of what was at stake! Leaned into the families – fight for your family, songs, daughters!

60-80% of teenagers are dropping out of faith/church

1. Those on the outside would change their opinion of who God is

2. Those on the inside would begin to change their opinion of who God is and pay attention like never before

3. Celebration of God’s work from those seeing who God is

Bill Easum/ = Legacy

Legacy is who you leave behind not what

2 metaphors likes: Spiritual Midwife and Scout

What do I need to stop doing!

Develop your “to be” list – a list of ppl who could be leaders in the future!

JD Greer/Summit Church =

Center of our ministry out to be the proclamation of Jesus

Act 1 – primary task is to be a witness to me

Gospel is not even an exclusive religious word

Do NOT confuse the effects of the gospel with the actual gospel!

Love is the most powerful apologetic for the Gospel

Geoff Surrat/Seacost Church – Keep your faith strong

How do you go from being on staff to being a disconnected follower of Christ?

1. Take care of your family – Ministry free zones

2. Go to church – don’t work in church without stopping to worship in church. With your family, sitting down worshipping together

3. Be in a small group – not your title but yourself

4. Prioritize your personal worship –

5. Growing your faith – not preparation for your message/retreat/etc.

6. Give generously – generous giving defeats selfishness

7. Serve on a mission – something that helps another mission.

8. Volunteer – Outside of your ministry

9. Forgive – when we work with other people we’re going to get hurt and need to forgive. Every church has an imperfect staff

10. Believe the best – about your other staff personnel

Lady from Crosspoint Church =

Rich Nathan/Vineyard Church =

Marketing loves to play the either/or card but we find in the Bible the both/and principle.

Never has there been divorce like there is with evangelism and social justice

We had to address poverty and abortion in our community so joined with 300 women at risk for abortion

Sam from India =

Dan Kimball/Santa Cruz Vintage Church =

In the church tradition should never get in the way of mission or it is a sin.

Chip/Pinelake Church Mississippi = Take care of yourself

You’re the only one who can take care of you

Your well being is your responsibility

Jud Wilhite/Central Christian Church =

Managing the small details in life! Most ppl think an iceberg that sank the Titanic when in fact it was faulty rivets! Substandard details. The parallel for us on the surface things are well but underneath we must manage the details.

The Assassin Character Creep.

1. Plan for the assassin – be ready. Travel, money, counseling with the opposite sex.

Hands off the money, pants up, and stay out of the hot tub! Sometimes there is success by default – the last person standing.

A long obedience in the same direction

2. Operate by the media mode of operation – never do anything today that you’d be uncomfortable seeing on the front page of the newspaper tomorrow!


5 Responses to “The Nines Last Update”

  1. September 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Hmmm? Leadership?

    Just wondering how you reconcile
    the use of the word “leader”
    with what Jesus said in Mt 23:10.

    The word “leader”seems like
    a “high place.” Yes?

    Jesus always took and recommended
    the “low place.” Yes?

    Jesus humbled Himself,
    made himself of no reputation
    and took on the form of a servant.
    Php 2:7

    Jesus in Mat 23:10 told His disciples “NOT” to call
    themselves master/“leaders”
    for you have one master/”leader” the Christ.

    King James Version –
    Neither be ye called masters:
    for one is your Master, even Christ.

    The Interlinear Bible –
    Nor be called leaders,
    for one is your leader the Christ.

    Phillips Modern English –
    you must not let people
    call you leaders,
    you have only one leader, Christ.

    Today’s English Version –
    nor should you be called leader,
    your one and only leader
    is the Messiah.

    The Amplified-
    you must not be called
    masters (leaders)
    for you have one master (leader)
    the Christ.

    Jesus told His disciples “not”
    to be called “leaders”
    and none did.

    Ro 1:1 Paul,
    a servant of Jesus Christ…

    Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus,
    the servants of Jesus Christ…

    Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you,
    a servant of Christ…

    Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God…

    Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God…

    2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant…

    His disciples “all” called themselves “servants,”
    none called themselves “leaders.” None? None.
    None called themselves
    “servant-leader.” None.

    If someone
    calls them self a “leader”
    or thinks they are a “leader;”

    Are they a “disciple of Christ?”

    Wondering some more.

    Most on the list of people
    at this “leadership?” event
    are not only considered “ leaders?”
    but also have the “Title” “Pastor.”

    Where in the Bible does it say “pastor = leader?”

    Have you done your own study
    on pastors?
    I mean in the Bible?
    What does the Bible say
    about pastors?

    Makes an interesting study.

    Here’s some questions to ask
    as you check out pastors.

    In the Bible, How many people…
    have the title pastor?

    In the Bible, How many people are…
    referred to as pastor?

    In the Bible, How many people are…
    ordained as a pastor?

    In the Bible, How many congregations are…
    led by a pastor?

    Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus

    And other sheep I have,
    which are not of this fold:
    them also I must bring,
    and they shall hear my voice;
    and there shall be one fold,
    and one shepherd.
    John 10:16

    One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
    If Not Now, When?

    Be blessed and be a blessing.

  2. September 11, 2009 at 8:15 am

    Typically people who obviously haven’t read what a post is about and simply take such an obstinate and condescending tone don’t want to engage in a dialog but rather just rant about their personal interpretations of the Bible. So, for now, my only response is to challenge you to engage in a conversation rather than blab on and on.

  3. September 11, 2009 at 8:22 am

    @A.Amos Love

    First of all – I’m going to state my skepticism that you will reply to this openly. I have a troller who stops by that I provoked from jesus-is-savior.com, who leaves comments but never responds to my rebuttals. I hope you are a real person willing to dialogue about your feelings and beliefs. I offer up my blog @ http://www.uglyorangetruck.com for this purpose should you be willing to take me on -> Maybe I’m wrong. I’m not perfect. But I gotta be honest with you – I’ve been praying about this yesterday and this morning and I think you are just plain wrong.

    That being said, I would like for you to consider the text of Acts 20: 25:31.

    “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more. 26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[c] which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

    (ref: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+20&version=NKJV)

    Look at the passage in 28: (bolding is mine) Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[c] which He purchased with His own blood.

    How can you reconcile that with your statement about Jesus not saying to be a leader. I could see this position applied to a pope or someone similar to the Archbishop of Canterburry(sp?). It certainly DOES NOT apply to a local pastor. I submit, that statements like you make – perhaps – could be akin to the verses after that (29b-30-31) (once again – bolding is mine).

    “… savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.

    Applying your logic – this statement MUST be wrong. But I’m assuming that you believe in the canonical status of Paul’s writing because use Paul and Timothy as references (Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God…).

    How do you reconcile this thought? In Ecclesiastes the urging is given to not be alone.

    “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.” NIV / “And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.” KJV

    (Ref: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+4&version=KJV)

    I just think you are wrong. We are meant to live in a community. A community with no leader leads to weirdness and heresy. A community with only one leader and no elders leads to weirdness and heresy. So if you are stating these guys are wrong because they are leaders, we would first need to investigat their church structure before coming to that conclusion.

    Face it – if you have a family you are a leader. If you teach people you are a leader. God designed leadership – it exists in every culture, you can’t get rid of it.

  4. September 11, 2009 at 8:33 am

    Dude! You covered the Nines as well! I have been so swamped since then just digesting everything that I haven’t had the opportunity to check everybody else out.

    Yeah, I hope this guy comes back but I doubt it. He’s taken Matthew 23 completely out of context. If that’s the case then every man who has a child should not be called a Father. Every teacher should not be called a teacher. That’s ridiculous. That’s not what Jesus is talking about. It’s what happens when people don’t read scripture but instead google verses to back up their own preconceived notions.

    I don’t dispute that we need to be careful about putting Leaders about Jesus but that’s not what this guy wants to discuss. Unless he does then he’ll comment back 🙂

  5. September 11, 2009 at 9:50 am

    Yes indeed. And a hat-tip to you for that. I completely forgot about it. I got a few looks at work from a few friends who were like … “uhhh… You’re not a pastor”. At which point I responded the opposite of A.Amos – Everyone is in leadership at one point in life. The more you embrace it, the more you lead.

    It was phenomenal. I can’t thank you enough for the reminder – I totally would have spaced it. Although, I do have to say I’m a total fanboy of Mark Driscoll and his was a clip from a sermon I’ve already heard 😦 Oh well, I also picked up the blog from Scott Williams – insightful

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